There's your log

[3:34am] <~PimpToad> somehow it always end up playing the exact same way
[3:34am] <Aelie> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyvZ9_hQBXM
[3:35am] <~PimpToad> you say something, i say something, then since there wasn't that one definitive response that could have ended it all right at the starts, things continue to pile on till we reach this point
[3:35am] <Makenshi> yea well i'm glad that you find it funny
[3:35am] <Makenshi> yea, well, count the number of time i said they only do yuri stuff and i said no
[3:36am] <Makenshi> no definitive response? maybe you need to take your tunnel vision and have it fixed
[3:36am] <~PimpToad> actually the argument ended rather early
[3:37am] <Makenshi> i'm not sure how this is even an argument, considering it's just you requesting me something i dont want to do over and over again
[3:37am] <~PimpToad> heh maybe you need to have your tunnel vision fixed
[3:37am] <~PimpToad> great thing about irc...logs and all

There, you want logs, there you have it, the full log. You tell me if I'm missing something. Oh yea, how many times did I say no again?


[2:57am] <~PimpToad> hmmm that manga you linked
[2:57am] <Makenshi> 24k just to repair weapon
[2:57am] <~PimpToad> already sold on the cover page
[2:57am] <~PimpToad> mmm
[2:58am] <~PimpToad> so are we doing this?
[2:58am] <Makenshi> what
[2:58am] <Makenshi> raids?
[2:58am] <~PimpToad> that will you marry me manga
[2:58am] <Makenshi> o no, thats somethign i have to translate for someone else
[2:59am] <Makenshi> thats why i said im irresponsible
[2:59am] <Makenshi> lol
[2:59am] <Makenshi> email was sent to me on the 7th
[3:00am] <Makenshi> hm, i really should level up my mana shield
[3:01am] <~PimpToad> so someone else wants to edit it?
[3:01am] <~PimpToad> and at max with 2k int, should take 2 hits to break
[3:02am] <Makenshi> right now it's taking one
[3:02am] <Makenshi> though actually i should probably level up standing endurance
[3:02am] <~PimpToad> at least l9
[3:02am] <Makenshi> and yea its a requeset
[3:02am] <~PimpToad> some random person?
[3:02am] <Makenshi> decisions decisions
[3:03am] <Makenshi> standing endurance or magic arrow
[3:03am] <Makenshi> ugh this person on another channel i have on autojoin
[3:03am] <~PimpToad> have him edit something for us in exchange!
[3:03am] <~PimpToad> its the right thing to do
[3:04am] <Makenshi> er she has her own group and website
[3:04am] <Makenshi> besides they only do yuri stuff
[3:04am] <~PimpToad> yeah but she wants a free translation
[3:04am] <~PimpToad> want a free edit =D
[3:04am] <~PimpToad> tit for tat and all that shit
[3:04am] <~PimpToad> do it for the group!
[3:05am] <~PimpToad> worst she can say is no and hey you don't have to do it anymore
[3:05am] <Makenshi> i just told you, they only do yuri stuff
[3:05am] <~PimpToad> tell her you're in this group (technically) and want something in return?
[3:05am] <~PimpToad> again worst she can say is no
[3:06am] <Makenshi> and she can translate japanese herself, she couldnt find a japanese scan of this particular story
[3:06am] <~PimpToad> well sucks
[3:06am] <Makenshi> and no
[3:06am] <~PimpToad> so mean
[3:06am] <Makenshi> what do you want me to say
[3:07am] <Makenshi> "hey i know your a lesbian and only work on yuri titles with a yuri website but this asshole wants me to ask you to translate some random manga"?
[3:07am] <~PimpToad> i said edit o_O
[3:07am] <Makenshi> ok
[3:07am] <Makenshi> "hey i know your a lesbian and only work on yuri titles with a yuri website but this asshole wants me to ask you to edit some random manga"?
[3:07am] <~PimpToad> yep
[3:07am] <~PimpToad> sounds about right
[3:08am] <Makenshi> yea well too bad it never even made it past me
[3:08am] <Makenshi> go ask yourself if you want
[3:08am] <~PimpToad> i can't offer anything in this exchange
[3:08am] <Makenshi> well sucks
[3:09am] <~PimpToad> no need to get your panties in a bunch over this
[3:10am] <~PimpToad> was just wondering if they'd be willing to do something in exchange
[3:13am] <Makenshi> well i already know it's not going to work
[3:14am] <Makenshi> 2 biggest reasons are 1, shes not interested anything non yuri, and 2, they are semi-commercial and refuses to work on anything having to do with raws
[3:14am] <Makenshi> that and i really dont know them that well
[3:14am] <~PimpToad> well if she can ask you for a favor, then it stands to reason you can do the same right?
[3:15am] <~PimpToad> and semi-commercial?
[3:15am] <~PimpToad> how does that even work?
[3:15am] <Makenshi> i could, but i don't feel like doing it
[3:15am] <Makenshi> they import yuri doujins
[3:15am] <~PimpToad> okay so they buy their own stuff
[3:15am] <Makenshi> i think they also sell trasnlated ones in hardcover? i have no idea
[3:15am] <~PimpToad> lots of groups do that
[3:15am] <Makenshi> yea basically
[3:16am] <Makenshi> nono
[3:16am] <Makenshi> they also sell imported stuff
[3:16am] <~PimpToad> so they're a distributor who does scan work on the side?
[3:16am] <Makenshi> i'm not 100% sure how it works, like i said, i dont know them that well
[3:16am] <Makenshi> they started off scanlating and then started selling doujins later i think
[3:16am] <~PimpToad> do they release their works online?
[3:17am] <Makenshi> yea
[3:17am] <~PimpToad> well they aren't commercial then
[3:17am] <Makenshi> ping yurikai.com
[3:17am] <Makenshi> seems down
[3:17am] <~PimpToad> since doujinshi aren't commercial works, unless i got that one wrong
[3:18am] <Makenshi> it depends on how you define commercial i guess
[3:18am] <~PimpToad> licensing?
[3:18am] <Makenshi> she has the consent of the doujin authors
[3:18am] <~PimpToad> still not licensing
[3:19am] <Makenshi> also, the work they sell arent the same as the work they scanlate i think
[3:19am] <~PimpToad> well you're right...its confusing
[3:19am] <~PimpToad> whatever...go nuts
[3:20am] <Makenshi> because like i said... i dont know them that well >_>
[3:20am] <Makenshi> i just lurk their channel and one day someone asked if anyone knew chinese
[3:21am] <~PimpToad> just found it odd that they can ask you for a favor despite not knowing you very well, yet you can't do the same due to their own contrived reasons
[3:21am] <Makenshi> i think my neighbors connection is fucking up again
[3:21am] <Makenshi> to be honest? because they have a reason to ask, they need stuff translated
[3:21am] <Makenshi> why am i asking again?
[3:21am] <~PimpToad> we need stuff edited?
[3:21am] <~PimpToad> and translated too
[3:21am] <Makenshi> this we is very loosely defined
[3:22am] <Makenshi> considering the last work i did was months ago
[3:22am] <Makenshi> lol
[3:22am] <~PimpToad> then forget i asked
[3:22am] <~PimpToad> obviously i can't get you to do anything for this group anyway
[3:23am] <Makenshi> yep, got that right

Forgot to paste back the last part after the quotes

[3:41am] <Makenshi> [3:38am] <Makenshi> [3:22am] <~PimpToad> then forget i asked
[3:41am] <Makenshi> [3:38am] <Makenshi> [3:22am] <~PimpToad> obviously i can't get you to do anything for this group anyway
[3:41am] <Makenshi> certainly feels like nothing's changed to me
[3:41am] <Makenshi> i THOUGHT the topic changed
[3:42am] <Makenshi> and you claim the topic changed
[3:42am] <Aelie> youre pasting your original pastes of the argument.. you might be going in circles
[3:42am] <Makenshi> so how did we get there again
[3:42am] <~PimpToad> the fact that i felt like i can't get you to do anything for the group?
[3:42am] <Aelie> sounds like hes doing stuff for the group >_>
[3:42am] <~PimpToad> well maybe its because you won't even ask a simple question/request to the other group asking you for a favor
[3:42am] <~PimpToad> you'll still do the translation regardless
[3:42am] <Makenshi> or maybe because its' the fact that i keep saying that I DONT KNOW THEM VERY WELL
[3:42am] <Makenshi> do i know you very well when i started translating here?
[3:43am] <~PimpToad> yet you are doing them a favor
[3:43am] <~PimpToad> why i mentioned tit for tat
[3:43am] <Makenshi> just because i help people out doesnt mean i am comfortable asking them for help
[3:43am] <~PimpToad> the same people you're helping?
[3:43am] <Makenshi> yep

Don't tell me how to live my life, asshole. I don't tell you how to live yours.

*snip*

I'm just gonna go ahead and delete what I wrote here and actually be mature for once. Hopefully you vented whatever it is you have in your head and cooled-off a bit after that.

Sorry, not this time. Call me immature or whatever you want, some words you just can't take back.

It was never an issue so in a sense, it's my own fault that I did not clarify this earlier. As a friend and as a group member, I will do everything in my power to help you do whatever you need done. However, as either, I will not go begging someone else to do the work on our behalf when
1. I know I will be rejected
2. I don't feel comfortable doing so.
3. It's something we can do ourselves.

Now, apparently, this is an expected function of being part of the NayukiLove group. It is something that I cannot provide. So, to clarify my position, as a friend, Raphael, I will still translate and troll on your behalf, but I feel like I have overstayed myself by idling in the IRC all the time and give you expectations that I don't feel like I should be fulfilling.

If you need me, you have my steam and my email. Until then, it's been fun.

I don't know what you're seeing, but I honestly don't see the "words you just can't take back" that you're talking about. Enlighten me if you wish so I can avoid insulting you again in the future.

Who said it was an expected function? I thought it was a good idea to try and ask, but obviously you didn't. If you felt like I was jamming a knife to your back and forcing you to do something you weren't comfortable in doing then I apologize for that. That was never my intent and I just don't see where the hell you somehow managed to get that thought in your head based on our conversation, but hey different strokes for different folks.

If that's how you feel then indeed it has been fun and see you around.

If you cannot tell, from the hour-long discussion and the log, the premise and the exact line I find insulting, then I don't think it's worth pointing it out - it's happened in the past and it will happen again. Let's just agree to disagree. See you around.

I don't know how I'm supposed to agree to disagree when I have no clue what you're on, but sure I'll drop the topic.

I am not sure what part of the last post you don't understand. This is also exactly what I am talking about. You fail to understand what I find insulting, I fail to see how you don't find your words insulting, and vice versa. Like I said, if you don't feel like or know how you insulted me after I repeated it at least 3 or 4 times on the IRC, then we see things on a fundamentally different level. So, there's no need to point it out because it'll just happen again, just as it has happened before on more trivial matters.

If you feel like running raids on Vindictus again, my answer remains the same, up to you. If Steak is still interested in Vindictus after she comes back, feel free to hit me up on Steam and we can get some group leveling action going. Until then.